• People: *Fall completely in love with live action 'Beauty and The Beast*
  • Guillermo Del Toro: I see your monster movie and raise you one (1) Creature From The Black Lagoon, one (1) mute Belle, one (1) Agent Van Alden, and many (many) uncomfortable sexual feelings about fish because fuck you, that's why

idealai asked: I just saw your tags concerning Shape of Water, completely agree with every beautiful word you say. <33 But I wanted to ask, since you're far cleverer than me (and since you are my writing role model), what would you say separates female desire from male desire? Essentially, what seperates a female fantasy from male fantasy? Just curious and keep being brilliant! :D

notbecauseofvictories:

Well, obviously there are lots of different female fantasies, even if we’re just/primarily talking about straight women. (People get weird about different stuff, news at eleven.) But I do think there’s a certain specifically female bent for monster romance that can be differentiated from men’s. 

I mean, look at the ur-monster romance, the fairytale of Beauty and the Beast. One of the major issues BatB struggles with no matter which adaptation, variation, or retelling you’re talking about is that there is something almost disappointing when the Beast transforms back into a human. In fact, in French playwright Fernand Nozier’s 1909 version, Beauty complains: “You should have warned me! Here I was smitten by an exceptional being, and all of a sudden my fiancé becomes an ordinary distinguished young man!”

The monstrosity of the Beast is the point, not a bug but a feature of the monster romance genre. And I hardly think it’s accidental that women keep being drawn to these stories—even going a step beyond, into monster romances where there is no transformation, like the Creature from the Black Lagoon (which del Toro is obviously drawing from), or the Phantom of the Opera; some adaptations of Dracula. 

(Not that the modern craze for werewolves and vampire isn’t inspired by the same weird, fervid longing, but it’s been largely watered down. A proper monster romance requires an unequivocal monster, not a human-plus-fangs.)

Pick a cryptid, pick an eldritch abomination, pick an anthropomorphized concept or an elemental or a weird non-humanoid thing, pick a fantastical fictional creature and I promise you there is a woman who has thought about it. We all, in our hearts, want to fuck the fishman, or if not, then one of his monstrous cousins. Even if we’re not quite sure how that’s going to work—we kind of want to find out. 


…contrast this with the narrative that dominates male-gaze monster romance stories. Here, the monstrosity is a thing to overcome, an obstacle to the romance itself, and if/when the female beast transforms, it is unequivocally positive. Sir Gawain is always delighted when he finds out his loathly bride is beautiful at night. The little mermaid’s tail is a hindrance to her becoming properly human, not an illicit draw. Despite a wealth of imagination, video games and feature films seem to be unable to move beyond female aliens as essentially a beautiful actress with green skin.

(It is genuinely hard to find monster romances where the monster is female! All searches keep straying into “beautiful woman is revealed to be a secret monster, how dare she be beautiful and a monster!” which is…the exact opposite of monster romance, tonally.)

But that, I think, is the main difference between the female fantasy of monster romance and the male fantasy of monster romance. For women, the strangeness of the monster is the point, and the deviance of the romance and the object itself is why we’re drawn to these stories. For men, the romance dies in the face of too much monstrosity, and the strangeness of the beast must be transformed before it can be loved.

#THREE CAVEATS     #one: I am distinguishing monster romance from the straight-up bestiality like that found in greek myths     #leda and the swan pasiphae and the bull….they’re animals not monsters     #call me back when someone fucks the minotaur     #two I think there are a lot of intelligent things to be said about gay men and monster romances     #(given howard ashman and cocteau I think it’s a very important conversation to have)     #but I’m not really the one to have it     #there’s a lot of ink spilled about monster romances and queerness so I suggest you check it out if interested     #and third: I think this majorly ties into how women are taught to think about desire and their bodies     #in the public conversation women’s bodies and sexuality is still largely a map with “here be monsters” scrawled along the edges     #so it makes sense to me that well……there are monsters there     #it turns out if you tell women a bunch of contradictory nonsense junk about what they should want     #and then tell them not to talk about it and act like the subject is a baffling mystery every time it comes up     #they’re gonna wanna fuck fishmen and lizard people and genies with pits of fire for eyes!!!!!     #who knew!!!!   

  • Guillermo del toro: *slams down the script* she's gonna fall in love with a fish person
  • producers: oh like a merman? half human? so not fully monstrous–
  • Guillermo del toro: what the fuck did i just say

cumaeansibyl:

protectaduck:

Guillermo del Toro: So I wanna do a movie thats a Cold War era “dark take” on The Little Mermaid, but gender-swapped

Doug Jones, putting on a latex suit: Say no more

Guillermo del Toro: This is my Liz Sherman/Abe Sapien Cold War AU fic

Doug Jones, pulling mask over his face: I was born ready

(via unpretty)

la-di-da-dupy:
“The gorgeous poster for Guillermo Del Toro’s upcoming movie The Shape of Water
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#It is heartening to see large swathes of tumblr set aside their Discourse and join together in our weird united desire to fuck the fishman #watching all...